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New vs. old media, PM class

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  1. Shea Carlson
    April 21, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    I personally think that the rivalry between the Daily Collegian and Onward State is a little ridiculous. It seems that both could improve their quality by focusing on all kinds of news outlets rather than this silly little rivalry. I think that the Daily Collegian needs to understand that the ideas behind news media are changing to a more social, faster paced platform. Rather than being upset with change, I believe they should embrace it and realize that the wave of the future is now for social media.
    As I said earlier if I were the editor of the Daily Collegian I would probably just accept change and understand that the world of journalism is changing. I would be ok with the idea of a competitor on my campus because I believe that it would push my staff to do a better job and write better articles. It would also force my newspaper to adapt to change like the Daily Collegian is doing now. I believe that traditional media should have to embrace social change if that is what their readers are more geared towards, and on college campuses these days they will be.
    I see myself as someone that would fit into a more traditional camp because I tend to appreciate the art of writing more than breaking news. I enjoy reading articles from the past because they were written to tell the story of the situation rather than just written quickly to get the news out there. Sports writers use to have to paint the picture of the game before television became a major part of the media. Now it is all dumbed down writing because writers believe that their readers have already seen the highlights. I do believe that journalists should be able to adapt to change and appreciate the different ways journalism can be used. I believe that my generation is pretty computer savvy so I do not think I will have to prepare myself for a career in journalism.

  2. Magie Wieneke
    April 21, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    I see the rivalry between the Daily Collegian and Onward State as something that was inevitable, considering the way that technology has been evolving for years it was only a matter of time before someone picked up on the internet and challenged the Daily Collegian. If I were the current editor of the Daily Collegian at the time Onward State launched and received the reaction it did I would realize that the time to up my game and keep on my toes has arrived. I would watch them closely and learn from them; competition is never as much an enemy as a teacher because you can learn from someone or something trying a different approach. I think it is vital that traditional media embrace social media, they provide faster ways of communication that brings in readers and the trust of those readers as well. It provides instant news and access to people in the thick of events, it creates this intense relationship between reporter and reader that keeps everything afloat. I definitely fit better in the online world, I have always been a fan of having an actual paper in my hand but I have also always been a very internet driven person. I use it every day for almost everything. I get nearly all my news from the internet lately and I know how to navigate it pretty well so it gives me an advantage. I think I need to make sure I remember where it all started and not let the roots slip from my mind, as important as I know social media is forgetting where it all starts would make it all worthless. I believe the most important thing is balance. Always know the history of your craft but never shy away from advancements as they come; especially in the journalism industry. People want their news fast and accurate and anything that helps fulfill that need is something we can’t ignore or write off.

  3. Brett Bedel
    April 21, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    I see the rivalry between the Daily Collegian and Onward State, like Magie said, inevitable. I think this is a battle that many newspapers are facing against social media networks and online news, not just the Daily Collegian. I definitely think traditional media needs to accept social media because this is our culture now. It is much easier and faster to pick up your phone or get online to read numerous stories from various sources, as opposed to picking up a paper and only being able to read the stories in that one paper. Being a journalism student it definitely depends on my mood and what all I have going on that depends where I read my news. If I have the time and feel like reading a certain paper I will, but if I’m in more of a quick mood and am just looking for an interesting story then I’ll go to something like CNN.com

    I definitely think that I need to be aware of the material I put on the internet, whether it be on Facebook, Twitter or some other social network. I want to be seen as professional so making sure my grammar, word content and just the entire package of my story is clear and accurate.

  4. Darcie Samuelson
    April 22, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Traditions are not easy to break, and journalism is no exception. I think the rivalry between the Daily Collegian and Onward State is the typical old vs. new battle. I think both news outlets are right in some areas but they need to understand that compromise is needed for a successful news publication.

    The Daily Collegian needs to realize who its audience is. College students are more likely to get their information from the Internet than picking up a printed copy. College students also like to have their comments and opinions heard. If the Daily Collegian can start using social media in a way to satisfy their audience the paper would not be left in the dust. Money was a big deal in the article because Onward State operated on no money at all. I think that this online alternative news could help financially struggling newspapers all over the nation.

    I think that the skills we learn in journalism colleges are still vital for the future. It is true that people want their news quick and easily available but they still want to be able to trust what they read. Future journalists need to keep the basics in mind but also be willing to change. Journalism is an ever changing field and if you want to have a job in it you must be able to adjust or you will be left in the dust.

  5. Alexis See Tho
    April 22, 2010 at 9:47 am

    I think it’s a fascinating thing going on between The Collegian and Onward State. I don’t think it’s much of a rivalry but they are both complementing each other. In the article, it was mentioned that Onward State unashamedly cites The Collegian on its site. I think this is because Onward State understands that its constant bursts of information is perfect for quick information but if a reader wants more depth, he or she will turn to The Collegian. Hence Onward State, by linking themselves to The Collegian means more people would actually go to their site first. Then if anyone wants further information, the reader can click on the link to The Collegian. This will increase the traffic to Onward State’s site.

    If I’m the editor to the Daily Collegian, I will take it positively and see Onward State as a site to create more transparency for my paper. Having only one news outlet creates complacency in reporters because there is no competition. But having Onward State creates competitive newspapering like how Walter Cronkite calls it. Competitive newspapering or rather competitive news dissemination in this case, is a very positive thing for both journalists and readers. The competition makes journalists strive for even more accuracy and this increases the quality of news reported for the consumption of the public.

    I will take over Onward State to become the online counterpart of The Collegian. If that doesn’t work out, I will tweet headlines of every important story written by reporters and create an online site that has multimedia functions e.g. videos of interviews or events. Online presence is important for The Collegian.

    When TV came along, radio had to adapt and change their programs to survive. I think it’s the same concept with social media. Refusing to change will only leave a newspaper outdated and eventually lose its readership. Using social media also tells people that news from the internet and social networks like Twitter can be trusted because it is run by news organizations.

    At this point, I’m still a dinosaur in the new media world. I will fit better in traditional print media. When I decided to be a journalist, I never thought I would need to bother about technology, computers and social media sites. I’ve been very wrong about that.

    I definitely need to get out of my comfort zone to learn more about the new media. At the same time, it’s important to stick to the basics of journalism; report accurately and objectively.

  6. Kyle Dump
    April 22, 2010 at 10:42 am

    I feel like I could sum up my opinion on the Collegian/Onward State rivalry in one sentence: Grow up Collegian.
    Maybe I’m being harsh, but seriously, what happened to the open-minded innovation that I prided my generation on? We’re the reason the world will progress and, until I heard about this, I thought we were all on the same page. Apparently not. I guess I’ll have to do The Collegian’s work for them and lay out a six-month game plan.

    Month number one: Take a deep breath, step back, and start studying Onward State. I know, I know, they’re beneath you. They’re not real journalists, blah, blah, blah. They’re doing something right which means you’re doing something wrong.
    Month number two: Now that you’ve mustered up the courage to take a glance at Onward State and realized that they are, in fact, not the spawn of Satan you can begin your grieving process. It’s hard to admit that you’re wrong, but you’re big kids, you can handle it. I’ll let you spend the rest of the month coming to terms with that.
    Month number three: Open communication lines with Onward State. Start a little dialogue, even if you’re just talking about your weekend. Try to begin thinking of them as humans. Maybe even make a friend. The main thing is to talk to them. Ignoring someone is ignorant (it’s in the word).
    Month number four: Now that you’ve got a friend or two at Onward State start throwing around the idea of a merger. I’ll let you pause for a second to stop hyperventilating. Are you alright? Good. These discussions don’t have to be anything serious. Just toss the idea around a little. Even if you pose it as a joke, just introduce the thought to the world. Plant the seeds, so to speak.
    Month number five: OK, so you’ve all been joking about working together, big laughs, ha ha. Now, hit them with the idea. “Maybe we could… actually, you know, merge.” They may not be receptive at first. To be honest, they don’t need you and you’re essentially suggesting them strap themselves to a sinking ship, but be persistent. Mention the added legitimacy a union like this could bring their web presence. Talk about a paycheck or two. Eventually they’ll see the light. Heck, you did and you’re as bull-headed as they come.
    Month number six: Begin trial run of The Collegian/Onward State marriage. See how it works, do some tweaking when problems arise. Iron out the kinks. I’m sure that after this month is over the campus over there at Penn State will be on the path to becoming a better place. Plus, you guys will look like geniuses, because you are, this plan is awesome. And yes, you can take the credit. I understand. I’ll pretend like I never heard of you. It’ll all be OK.

    So maybe I was a little blunt, but you see my point. I think the only true solution to the currents problems newspapers are facing is adaptation. They need to evolve. It’s survival of the fittest, and the most specialized and specific animals are always the ones to die out first. Just ask the t-rex.

  7. Courtney Smith
    April 22, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    I think that the rivalry between the Daily Collegian and Onward State was unavoidable. Social media is a trend that seems to grow more popular by the day, and also something that threatens the successfulness of traditional media. If I were the editor of the Daily Collegian, I would respond to the launch of Onward State by trying to learn from it. The Daily Collegian’s target audience is college students, and the majority of college students turn to online media for their news. I would have tried to incorporate some aspects of social media to keep the attention of the readers.

    I do think that traditional media should embrace social media. There will always be people who prefer to get their news from a newspaper, but the majority of people in today’s world prefer to go online. If traditional media could incorporate social media into its plan, it would have the best of both worlds: a hard copy newspaper for those who prefer it and an online version with up-to-date information for those who need news and information fast.

    Personally, I feel like I am someone who fits better in the traditional camp. I prefer to read a newspaper, and don’t often go online to read news. However, I realize that is usually not the case in college students. To prepare for a career in journalism, I think it is important to study both the past and the future. I believe we should understand how articles are written for traditional media, but also be willing to adapt to the changes that come with the growth of social media.

  8. Paige
    April 22, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    I don’t really see this as a “rivalry” as Onward State often links to the Daily Collegian anyway. Like Alexis said, I think they complement each other well and serve different roles. I really like the idea of a “virtual newsroom” on Google Wave and having reporters dispersed throughout campus, but the fact is that without the Collegian, Onward State wouldn’t have anything credible to talk about. Blogs and social media networking are great, and people love to share their opinions, but I think there needs to be a balance between hard news and opinion.

    Another thing to think about is the financial aspect: Onward State does not make money. That’s great for a college student, who is not most concerned with making money, but these people will eventually need to blend into a “real” newsroom after college if they want to get a job. Also, in the comments of the article, a supposed editor from Onward State said he was just doing what he liked, but he could use more money for his “beer fund.” Do I really need to know about my news source’s drinking habits, whether they’re in college or not? Does he think that makes people, in general, view him as a professional? I think remaining professional is still important, even if editors of Onward State aren’t making any money.

    If anything, the Daily Collegian should see Onward State as a good thing. Onward State often linking to the Collegian only gives the paper more credibility and a larger readership. At the same time, if I were the editor of the Collegian, I would be making more of an effort to get my content out on the web. Getting content out on the web increases readership and shows the paper can compete with other news sources who are web savvy.

    I think we need to not classify ourselves as being in the “traditional” or “online camp” and focus on merging these camps into a new journalism! To prepare for a journalism career today, I feel there’s a lot more pressure for journalists to do it all – photos, web, video and stories.

  9. Nick French
    April 22, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    I feel the rivalry between these two outlets is superfluous. They should be focused on collaboration between each other to serve respective journalistic purposes. As an editor, one would have to accept the presence of Onward State, and try to siphon something positive out of the counterpart. Traditional media have no choice to but embrace the rising popularity of online outlets and try their best to offer what they can’t: dense, well-written stories that can’t be reported in the same way online.

    I prefer traditional camp because reading the paper has always been a sort of standby for me, but the more time I spend in front of a computer screen (primarily at school) the more I’m tempted to catch the news that way. It’s all a question of accessibility.

  10. Patrick Breen
    April 22, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    The rivalry was unavoidable as are most rivalries between news outlets. I find faults in each news outlet like the Onward State using the Daily Collegian as a source and how the Collegian doesn’t follow the trend and isn’t getting into social media.

    If I’m the editor of Collegian, I try and learn from the Onward State. They need to embrace the new media that is developing and use it to their advantage. The Onward State needs to do better reporting and site their own sources.

    I have been trained in traditional journalism, but this class is teaching us how to use social media to develop our news. Using sites like Twitter to find stories or break them seems to be a great way to instantly reach tons of people.

    I still prefer to do traditional journalism, but in today’s day and age, one must be prepared and knowledgable in everything the field has to offer. The industry is changing and growing, so it’s important to change and grow with it.

  11. Chiron Hunt
    April 22, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    What do you think of the rivalry between the Daily Collegian and Onward State?
    I think it’s kind of stupid because they can join together and both produce news more effective.
    If you were the editor of the Daily Collegian, how would you respond to the launch of Onward State?
    I would deffinitely try to find a way to connect with the Onward State because I don’t see the harm in joining together. I think both news outlets would benefit greatly because some people don’t like reading the newspaper. So for those who don’t read the paper can check out the news online at the Onward State website.
    Do you think traditional media should embrace social media? Why or why not?
    Of course! The reason why is because news is is social. What better way to produce it than in a social environment. Every news outlet is leaning toward social media. Before we know it we will have to use it so now is important to get use to it.
    As a college journalist, do you see yourself as someone who fits better in the traditional camp or the online camp?
    I see myself as an online camp. I cannot see myself sitting down and actually reading any kind of paper.
    Do you think you need to do anything differently to prepare for a career in journalism today?
    I think that everyone should be socially intact. I know I need to be able to use social networks and to be able to connect with distant people. The social network like Twitter is the only new thing to me.

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